All the Nerds in the Room
My streak is over.
Not our 500th episode streak, because this is the 500th episode, but my streak of not needing any kind of corrective eyewear is over.
Oh, oh no.
Oh, what happened?
So I turned 40 a few months ago.
Everything takes a dump right around then.
Guarantee runs out.
It must have been within the same month, I started noticing, hmm, my minimum focus distance is increasing.
And as that kept getting worse, I'm like, you know, this seems to be happening quickly.
I'm suddenly noticing in the last few months, I can't focus as close as I used to anymore.
And it finally reached the point of my nighttime phone in bed reading distance.
And I thought, uh-oh, it's time.
I should probably go to an eye doctor for the first time ever.
I'm so jealous.
That's one of the advantages, I think, of being somebody who has been nearsighted their entire life.
My close-up vision is...
pretty darn good for uh someone of my advanced age can't see anything past two feet past my face but close up boy i don't need any corrective lenses yeah i well now i have i have officially been prescribed reading glasses oh reading glasses not even regular glasses just reading glasses oh wow
I'm still okay on distance, but I need readers now.
I mean, you could get prescription up-close glasses.
It's just probably saving you some money to get cheapo reading glasses.
They wanted me to pick up glasses there, and I'm like, you know what?
I need my wife to be here for this because I don't have the confidence to make this choice myself.
Also, to catch you when you faint when you see how much glasses cost.
i mean readers are cheap but you know it will cheaper just wait just wait the connection between like sort of the bill the the bill of goods like how much does it cost to manufacture distribute blah blah plus profit margin the glasses and how much you pay for them it's like it's like the same connection between that and like printer ink prices it's just makes no sense whatsoever
By the way, people in the chat are saying how lucky I am and how horrible their stuff is.
If it makes you feel any better, I went bald and gray in my early 20s.
It all balances out in different ways.
Anyway, one interesting part about it, besides the crushing anxiety of getting older and having my body slowly break down and having that be very apparent in a very clear way all of a sudden, is that for the first time ever, I had those eye dilating drops for them to do the exam.
First time ever in your life.
How was it trying to read your phone moments after that happened?
So at first, so, you know, he puts the drops in and he's like, all right, now, you know, you can go wait in the waiting room.
I'll bring you back in like 15 minutes.
And I was like, well, I'm like, all right, cool.
He's like, what these are going to do is artificially age you forward by a lot.
hmm okay whatever that means so i'm sitting in the waiting room at first like nothing's happening and then i start noticing huh it is starting now to get a little bit blurrier and then over the span of a couple minutes it's like oh no and it's to the point where like like i'm holding my phone out and i'm like trying to get like a twitter reply in like right before i'm like i only have a minute left and like
And I also, because Tiff couldn't come with me for logical reasons, so I was there alone, and I had just taken a Lyft there from the ferry station.
She warned me about this.
She's like, you probably won't be able to drive home.
All right, all right.
So I took a Lyft.
But right before I was about to lose sight of my phone, I quickly went in and turned on increased contrast and raised the font size all the way up.
and i opened up lift and kind of preset where i was going because i'm like you know because i i test with voiceover i could use my phone totally blind but because i don't regularly use it i'm very slow at it so i'm like all right let me at least like set things up as well as i can to give myself the best chance of success here and you know hopefully able to do this meanwhile like the eye doctor office has no reception like it's it's one of those like office buildings it's you know it's
old concrete and steel probably you know so it has no reception i'm doing all this like with like the slowest internet connection my phone's super hot trying to get a signal and i'm like slowly losing my vision and it was it was quite a harrowing experience to be doing this for the very first time at age 40 and like never having experienced it it was it was it was uh i mean not to use a terrible pun it was illuminating um it really was
because I very much appreciated, first of all, my vision, and I secondly very much appreciated the accessibility features of the iPhone in that moment.
I could so quickly just boost stuff up, and it was very apparent to me very quickly how many apps, including sections of my own app, like the Now Playing screen, are terrible or just don't adjust at all.
In my last update to Overcast, when I read a lot of the list screen stuff,
I much better adopted dynamic text.
It's still not perfect.
I kind of have to wait for my Swift UI rewrite to do a lot of that because I have a lot of really old table view code that just does not resize gracefully.
So I did some of it in the last redesign, and I want to do more in the now playing screen stuff I'm working on next.
But man, so many apps don't even bother.
They don't even try.
Nope.
No, it's terrible.
You know, it's funny you bring all this up because I had occasion to remember a blog post I wrote back in 2016 about this exact same thing.
I was looking at this just earlier today by pure happenstance.
And, you know, I have truly terrible eyes.
I have this weird thing called keratoconus where it makes my corneas, the front of my eyes, basically pointy.
Like you would never know it just by looking at me, although in extreme cases of keratoconus, it's very visible.
But for me, you would never know it by looking at me.
But that means I need hard contact lenses in order to put a more rounded front in front of my eyes so I can actually see.
And with my hard contacts in, I actually see pretty well.
Without contact lenses, even with glasses that are as thick as Coke bottles, I can't see garbage.
I can see literally six inches in front of my head, and then everything turns extremely blurry extremely quickly.
You would think I would hate bokeh based on that, but I'd still like it for some reason.
But anyways, but I wrote a post back in 2016 about exactly this.
And coincidentally, the GIF that I put in there was a text message between me and underscore where I was demonstrating cranking the font size from normal to...
just ridiculous in order for me to be able to see it.
And yeah, it's one of those very striking things where if you're lucky enough to be able-bodied and to not have any particular affliction which would require you to use any of the accessibility features,
it doesn't seem like it's that big a deal because myopically and selfishly it isn't.
And then suddenly, even if you're generally able-bodied, or forgive me if that's not the appropriate term for it, but, you know, if you're generally without needing any of these affordances, then suddenly, you know, you get dilating drops or whatever the case may be, and you do, and you realize, first of all, thank goodness that Apple's put the work in, and some developers, but not all of them.
Thank goodness Apple's put the work in to make this possible, be it because of, you know, dynamic text, be it because of voiceover, what have you.
But,
And secondly, how unbelievably lucky are you slash me slash we slash whomever in order to not have to worry about that day to day?
And it's it's really it's one of those things.
It's like, you know, the typical Republican thing of, oh, this would this doesn't bother me because it doesn't affect me.
And then suddenly affects me.
And now, oh, we need to change laws because suddenly this affected me.
I found that I was very myopic about this in a very Republican way, which I'm not proud of.
And that was a very illuminating experience.
Again, not to use the wrong word, like you said, Marco, but it was an illuminating.
You just said myopic.
I mean, come on.
Yeah, that's true.
I didn't even think about that.
See, I'm terrible.
I should just stop talking.
Happy episode 500.
It was a good run, and I ruined it.
But no, seriously, though, it changes your perspective very quickly when you're put in a position, even just temporarily, that these sorts of affordances are absolutely necessary.
And it's cool that it's a possibility at all.
Yeah, I was very thankful in those moments for both my usual need not for this stuff, but then also that all of this stuff was available to me in the phone I already had, with the software I already had.
And I mean, partly because I'm a developer, I know where the settings are, but I was able to adjust it in seconds.
because i didn't have long like once once the process started accelerating i was like oh no i don't have long at all and i very quickly like was able to go do it and it was fine uh and and the only like lift i went back to lift and it said you have to restart the app to change your font setting i'm like all right whatever but you know
bad hack okay but i did that it was fine after that but but yeah there were so many things that were just um not adjusted including some stuff in the system itself like i was surprised like i couldn't see my battery uh status really because those little top parts of the status bar don't adjust size even when you put on control center like you don't even get a big version there i was kind of surprised at some of the some of the system stuff that was not um embiggened by those settings but anyway i was very thankful they were there and it was
It was very illuminating to me and kind of shaming to me that parts of my own app did not react well.
And so I'm going to be working on that.
But anyway, so here I have joined the ranks of, I think, most people ever that I now need some iHelp.
And, well, here we go.
This is the start.
It's a very minor start, but it will progress.
I actually, due to a previous costume need...
I actually own a pair of the model of glasses frames that Steve Jobs wore.
And so I might see if I can just get reading glass lenses for those.
Because why should I buy more glasses if I already have a pair that has dud lenses in it?
But I don't know.
So this is the way you choose to save money.
It's not keeping the FJ Cruiser.
Instead, it's saving on an extra set of frames.
Hey, I made a profit on the FJ Cruiser.
Oh my gosh.
If you wanted to spend some money instead of saving it, now is the time, listeners, to go to stjude.org slash ATP, S-T-J-U-D-E dot org slash ATP, where you too can help end childhood cancer.
Like for real, you can help do that.
That is the thing that you, the listener that I'm talking to right now, you can do it.
You can also help prevent forest fires.
But anyway, you can go to stjude.org slash ATP and you can donate to help end childhood cancer.
Here's the thing.
Cancer sucks a lot.
It double sucks if it's afflicting a kid.
So we don't want that to happen.
You don't want that to happen.
Why don't you go to stjude.org slash ATP and throw a couple of dollars their way, or maybe many couples of dollars, hundreds or thousands of couples of dollars their way.
If you recall, ATP as a group has donated $21,012 because we're all jerks and we're fighting with each other, although John would argue I'm the biggest jerk of them all.
I'll take that as a point of pride, I guess.
I guess you kind of cheated.
I don't know about that anyway.
We're not going to open that conversation again.
But Guillaume Morin, and I apologize if I've butchered your name, is the current top individual donor, as far as I'm aware, at $7,008.
Thank you very much.
You have not reached out to me that I have seen to collect your stickers, if you're even aware that that's a thing.
I'm assuming so.
So please find a way to reach out to me and let me know.
And I'm happy to send you stickers anywhere that the United States Postal Service will deliver to you.
which is, no joke, many, many, many, many countries.
So please reach out.
Additionally, breaking news as of just a few hours ago, 1Password has bought my love, at least for a little while, by donating as a company $30,029.34.
I believe that odd number was to get the campaign as a whole past $200,000, which is amazing.
So thank you genuinely from the bottom of my heart, 1Password, for doing that.
And also, Guillaume.
I'm going to go with that.
I hope that's right.
Correct me.
I will do a mea culpa on the show.
I'm going to say not correct.
Okay.
Well, what would you do then, John?
I don't know, but I'm putting my money on not correct.
Well, you know what?
We can shame me as part of your $7,008 donation.
You can shame me or I will shame myself on the next episode.
Just let me know.
Well, anyway, so if you want to end childhood cancer, if you want to support these incredible heroes that are trying to end childhood cancer, if you want to support the research that they do that is spread worldwide to end childhood cancer, not only here in America, but everywhere, stjude.org.
don't forget about the company match we always forget oh i almost did it again i almost did it again i almost forgot i'm sorry so a lot of people if you have a jobby job uh a lot of companies will match whatever you donate sometimes up to a limit sometimes whatever you do so if you donate 10 bucks they'll donate 10 bucks right up to you know whatever amount then again it might be unlimited your company so find out if your company does that and let them know that you donated so it basically like doubles your donation for free get your company to donate uh
And if you do do a company match, you can go to the URL, stjude.org.atp.
There's a thing on that webpage that lets you report what your company donated so that it goes towards the relay total to get them over the line.
The more important thing is that the company actually sends the money and matches your donation.
That's the important thing.
Secondarily, if you want to make sure that your company goes towards the total, you can do that as well.
Yeah, and if for some reason it isn't on the slash ATP page, which I think it is, but just in case, if you go to stju.org slash relay, then I am 100% sure it's there.
Same page.
No, they're two different pages.
We skipped past the whole sub fundraiser thing.
oh that's right okay yeah so anyway suffice it to say please join us in helping relay to help end childhood cancer please and thank you this will continue throughout the month of september please uh go ahead and check oh and uh by the way i almost forgot this coming friday so probably within a day or two probably one of you listening to this very program on the 16th of september from noon one true time zone until 8 p.m one true time zone
will be the Relay Podcast-a-thon, where Mike and Stephen will, God willing, be together.
And they will be, for the first time in a few years, hosting the podcast-a-thon at, well, both of them, that is, at St.
Jude.
I will be making an appearance.
It would not surprise me.
I genuinely don't know, but it wouldn't surprise me if my co-hosts make an appearance.
Maybe, maybe not.
It'll be a surprise for everyone.
but check that out it's a lot of fun it's eight hours so dip in and out and you know stay in as much as you can but you can dip in and out it's super duper fun and that'll be this Friday on Twitch I think it's twitch.tv slash relay I hope I'm not 100% sure about that but just search you'll find it so stjude.org slash ATP donate now
A little bit more housekeeping today.
Right now, this episode is the 500th episode of ATP.
How did that happen?
How is that possible?
Very slowly over time.
Right?
I understand mathematics because it was like, what was it, April or something like that of 2013?
So it's about 10 years and about 52 episodes a year.
So, I mean, it makes sense.
But...
Your intrepid hosts, with a couple of asterisks, have recorded 500 episodes of ATP, and we have not missed a week since something like April of 2013 or thereabouts.
And I'm pretty proud of us, and I'm extremely thankful for anyone who has listened to any episode.
And I can't imagine people who have listened to all 500 episodes.
There's a really great website that a listener put together, catatp.fm.
And on there, there's some really fun statistics.
I'm not going to read all these off.
But the great and top statistic is total length of all episodes, 988 hours, 45 minutes, 14.1 seconds, which is just bananas.
I am genuinely, as much as I'm laughing and joking, I'm extremely proud of...
of what the three of us have done.
I am thankful to every single listener that's listened to even but a moment of those 988 hours.
I mean, if you think about it, when we started, I had a regular jobby job.
In fact, it was like one or two jobby jobs before my last jobby job.
John was about halfway, maybe, through his most recent jobby job.
Marco, well, you've been a disaster ever since we got together, so that's no surprise there, but...
I had no children, and now I have two and a dog.
I mean, it has been quite a run for all three of us.
And God willing, as I knock furiously on wood, God willing, we have another 500 in us.
But one way or another, I am genuinely so thankful to every listener who has listened, who has at least looked at a sponsor's website recently.
Uh, and, and who has told their friends about us, who has rated us five stars on, uh, on Apple podcasts, whatever thing, any of you who have done anything to help us, it genuinely from the bottom of my heart means so much to us.
And, uh, I would like to tell, I would like to talk about the surprise unless you two have anything you want to add.
No, I want to add just how awesome everyone is.
And the thing is, this show, I mean, look, we love doing it.
And the reality is, even if our listenership went down to nothing, we would probably still keep doing it because you can't stop the three of us from talking to each other about computers and other BS.
That just happens when you put us together.
Because that's how the show got made, and that's how it keeps... And we've said in the past, like,
Making the show for us, while it is work, it is very easy in the sense that we all get along really well.
We love talking about this crap.
As I said, we'll do it no matter what.
It's an easy show to keep going.
We have no inter-host friction or drama.
We have good money coming in, which we'll get to in a second.
And we have good logistics.
We're all in the same time zone.
Our internet connections are all rock solid.
We all show up on time.
All that stuff that can make things hard to make.
We don't have those challenges.
We're very lucky.
We have a news-based show, and so we're not a subject matter, really.
And you also all are a little flexible on what you will tolerate us talking about, which also helps a lot.
Yeah.
So it's a show that we really do enjoy making and that I think has a pretty solid future ahead of it in addition to the pretty damn solid past.
And on the money thing, I think we are very fortunate that we have the audience that we have in all of you out there because we have a very loyal audience.
If you look at our raw numbers –
Our audience does not really grow over time.
Like we grew for a while and then we kind of found our audience and we stayed there.
And for most kinds of, you know, businesses or startups or anything on the web, content stuff mostly, like once you stop growing the audience, that's like death.
Because there's usually a whole bunch of churn of people who drop off the show because they aren't interested anymore or it wasn't holding their attention or they stopped listening to things entirely or whatever.
And for our show, that doesn't happen.
We have a very loyal audience.
It's a great place to be for people who create any kind of content for a living like we do because we don't need to play the games or have the same level of stresses that a lot of people do.
We can keep showing up and doing what we do.
And again, because it's mostly news-based, we have an infinite supply of that.
News will keep happening in the tech business, especially in the Apple sphere that we usually cover.
So that part's good.
And as long as you all keep showing up and listening,
We can largely ignore most of the crap that other podcasters and other content creators on other media are pressured to get into.
So we don't have to do weird growth hacking stuff.
We don't have to do like that crappy dynamic ad insertion of like local car dealer ads.
We don't have to do any of that.
Because we have such a great, loyal audience.
And so I really appreciate all of you a ton for that.
And the fact is that we've made 500 episodes of the nerdiest stuff imaginable.
And many of you out there have actually listened to all of it.
Like, who else can say that?
There's not a lot of other shows out there that can say that they've produced 500 multi-hour podcasts over the span of a decade, and many people in their audience have listened to all of it.
That's an incredible thing.
We are extremely lucky to have you out there listening to us.
And so thank you very much for that.
I want to give a special thanks to the listeners who write into us.
That is, I always feel like kind of an unsung, you know, attribute of our show.
Yes, it's news based and we talk about news topics and we talk about whatever weird things we're into or whatever we're buying in our and we talk about our lives to some degree.
But a lot of the best info on the show comes from our listeners because they email us, tweet at us, whatever.
And
we have enough listeners and those listeners are nerdy enough that if we talk about a topic, you know, I'm going to make something up.
It's like, we'll talk about mushrooms and be like, we'll get an email right after the show is published.
I've been growing mushrooms for 50 years.
You've been growing mushrooms for 50 years.
You're a mushroomologist.
You went to, you are the head of the mushroom department at some big university.
Like does one grow mushrooms or raise them or clone them?
What is the verb for like producing mushrooms?
Yeah.
I mean, we just had it recently when we were talking about audio sync or whatever.
It's like, oh, I do this for a living.
You sync audio for a living?
It's like, yeah, that's a job.
Yes, I do.
It's amazing.
Or someone's like, yeah, I did this for a living back when I worked and now I'm retired.
Let me tell you how it was in the old days.
Just so many listeners with amazing knowledge.
And presumably they're just sitting there listening to episodes for years for that one day when we talk about audio...
audio and video sync and they're like now's my time to shine and it's awesome and we love it like they they contribute so much not just to ask atp because we get tons of ask atp questions and i want to apologize for that like we do ask atp every show we try to do three questions a show if we can sometimes we have to skip it due to time constraints
we get hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of questions to ask atp and that's awesome but realize we can't actually answer them all but same thing with with uh you know with feedback or whatever there's just our audience has so much knowledge and they're so and so specific such specific knowledge that i love that they will be able to you know contribute to the show right i used to get that with you know when i wrote my like long form mac os 10 reviews but like by the time you publish the review it's too late for that info but i
on this show there's always another episode and there's always follow-up so i wanted to thank all the thank all the listeners for contributing and if you're out there and you have never written to the show and you're like an expert on like raising lizards or something just keep listening who knows someday we'll get there we'll get there we'll be talking about the iguana flag easter egg on the power pc mac and it'll be your time to hop in and say actually it's not an iguana and you'll tell us all about it
That's the thing too.
I can assume from the two of you that you probably had a similar time coming up in the world as I did in the sense that we were all...
pretty far nerdier than most of the people around us in our lives.
Because we all grew up in the early to none days of the internet.
And so the internet has made it very easy for people to find other people like them for good and bad.
That wasn't so much the case when we were coming up
uh and so you know it was always like we were we were the nerds and and you know that at the time that felt it for me at least felt quite lonely a lot of the times and still in most of life i am the nerd in the room um but this show brings together all of the nerds in the rooms everywhere like all of you out there
there's a pretty good chance you're you were that nerd in the room and now you found others like you and you can listen to 500 episodes of us talking to and with and about other people like us and it's a very nice thing to find you know like in the same way like i found my fish people and i went to the fish concert and that's another thing that i never have any support for in the world you know this is the kind of thing like nor here for them yeah
But this is the kind of thing, we found our people, and it's one of the great things that the internet makes possible.
And we're so lucky to have all of you out there, because we can all be the nerd in the room together.
I just want to make one more pitch for my spiel that I did on episode 400.
We usually don't do much for milestones, but 500 is pretty big.
And 400, I did a little thing.
It's in the after show.
If this is your first episode of ATP, I guess every 500 episodes, I should describe how the show works.
If this is your first episode of ATP, at a certain point, you'll hear someone sing a song that, well, it's going to be a different song this week, but the normal song says the show is over.
It's not really over.
uh the show keeps going after the song for varying amounts of times uh that's kind of the after show in the after show of episode 400 i attempt to describe uh what i think people get out of atp and why we're doing it and what i think is good about it and i probably will literally never do that little speech again so if you want to hear it i'm not going to do it today but episode 400 is right out there atp.fm slash 400 because we have good urls
All right, so surprise time.
So as a thank you to members of ATP, and you can subscribe at atp.fm slash join.
You can go a year at a time or a month at a time.
And as a thank you to our members, and we are incredibly thankful to everyone, but kind of maybe especially the members.
As a thank you to the members, we are doing for the first time exclusive content just for the members.
And we wanted to do something that is...
additive, like we don't want to take away anything that you're already getting.
And we wanted to do something that wasn't necessarily our core competency because, again, then it seems like maybe that's a little bit gross, or at least that's the way we thought of it today.
You asked me again in 10 years at episode 1000 where you're paying per segment or something to listen to the show.
But sitting here now, we wanted to do something additive that was a little bit out of our wheelhouse.
And what we concluded was we are going to do a three-episode run
one episode per week of ATP Movie Club.
So the way this works is we watched, the three of us watched three different movies.
Each host had a chance to pick one of the movies.
So this week we are going to release the first episode of the three episode miniseries that is the ATP Movie Club.
And it is going to be all three of us discussing the movie that Marco picked.
And Marco, would you like to describe what you did?
Since I learned that Casey had not yet seen it, the movie I chose to force him to watch was My Cousin Vinny.
I love this movie, and you will hear why, and I think it's wonderful to have put Casey and John through this.
Well, we'll let you hear what the two of us thought of it.
Because, you know, again, all three of us watched all three movies.
And we're not going to tell you what the other movies are.
I think we're going to leave those as a surprise for when the episodes drop in the members-only feeds.
But we are starting with My Cousin Vinny.
I will say that the next pick was mine and the final pick was John's.
And that's all I'm going to say about that.
But this was a lot of fun for the three of us to do.
Yeah.
we're still doing the show after all three episodes.
So I guess that's a good sign.
I think it was a little hit or miss for a couple of moments there, but for the most part, it was a lot of fun.
So that is as a thank you to members.
And you can go to atp.fm slash join to get these three episodes over the next three weeks.
Um, as I sit here now, we, we want to do more exclusive content eventually, but we have no plans at this moment.
So this might not happen again till episode a thousand might not happen for a hundred episodes.
We honestly don't know, but as a thank you to members, we wanted to do that as a, in recognition of episode 500.
So, um, so that's what we've done.
And again, my cousin Vinny is selected by Marco will be the first episode that will drop at some point this week.
Yeah, and speaking of feedback, part of what we do in the future depends on how members feel about this.
Do you like it?
Was it fun?
Was it boring?
Do you not care about movies?
Let us know what you think after all the episodes have aired.
Yeah, and for each one, by the way, when you look at the title in the feed, watch the movie before you listen to it because there obviously will be spoilers about the movies.
So when you see the movie title in there, watch the movie before you listen to it.
Yep.
Yep.
Yeah.
We don't have any spoiler horn or anything like that.
It's basically spoiler city from the second that we start the episode.
So be warned.
All right.
Now we have to get on to the regularly scheduled programming.
Thank you for letting us navel gaze for just a moment.
Oh, yeah.
It's a tech podcast.
Yeah.
I have been riveted to figure out what's going on with your polarizer and lens protector, John.
Oh, no.
It's back, baby.
It's back.
We didn't get to do this.
So when John talked about polarizers in the episode before the Apple event episode, we got so much feedback because half of what he said was wrong.
And then we couldn't cover it in last week because it was the event episode.
We didn't have time.
So we just kept getting more feedback.
It's all the same stuff.
Yeah, everything you said was wrong.
Not everything I said was wrong.
So here was the misunderstanding that I had.
Here was the main thing I was mistaken about, which many, many people pointed out, of course.
I was talking about my polarizer that I stick on the front of my interchangeable lens camera.
And it's like a little thing that goes over the lens and you can twist it.
and i was surprised that there was no markings on it telling me like how it should be aligned or anything because my what i had in my head was that you would twist it and there was a position where it was sort of like a maximum effect and there was another position where it was not doing anything and that's not true at all because what i had in my mind was a two element system where if and if anyone has ever taken two pairs of polarized sunglasses or two polarized pieces of like you know material and like a you know
school laboratory or whatever if you put them together and you twist them when they are at 90 degrees to each other like across they'll be totally black and then when you twist them 90 degrees back the other way they're as transparent as they're going to get but that's not how polarizers a circular polarizer that i bought and put on my camera works it only has one element it's just a single polarizing thing and
and so it's not twisting against any other polarized thing so there is no position in which it is totally black for instance or position in which it is you know totally transparent or whatever instead it is just a polarizing filter and it is going to let through light the the waves are wiggling in one particular direction or whatever
uh and the way you're supposed to use it is you i mean there's a whole bunch of people said oh you can look at where the sun is you can do this you can do that but the bottom line is what light do you not want to get through and what light do you want to get through twist the you know the simple answer is twist the lens until the picture looks the way you want it to look and that really is it because it depends on what light you're trying to cancel out is it a reflection off a flat you know pool of water is it a
So that explains why there are no markings on it, because it is entirely up to you how you want to twist it and how you want it to work.
And actually, there is a filter that works the way I was describing.
It's called the variable neutral density filter, which actually is, you know, we talked about neutral density filters two weeks ago.
It's like a way to block light from getting into your camera so you can have a bigger aperture without blowing out the frames in your video or whatever.
a variable neutral density filter so you don't have to keep swapping filters it's one filter with two elements that twist relative to each other two polarized elements twist relatively to each other to become darker or lighter but anyway i just have a brain polarizer filter but that's not the exciting part about this feedback so yes thank you to everyone who sent me that feedback um i'll put some links in the show notes of like explanations of this that are more long-winded and more detailed
uh but one person a step in dolen's aisle sent me a link to a minute physics video about polarizers and i was like oh yeah well a million people send stuff i know minute physics maybe i've even seen this one so i started watching it again and it goes through polarization like yeah yeah yeah great it's got some cool diagrams but then it gets into a super cool thing that kind of reminds me of i mean it's it kind of reminds me of the feeling i got a feeling i used to get when i would tell this is gonna sound nerdy you tell people about no no
The feeling you get when you tell people about special relativity, it's kind of like... Have you done this a lot?
This is something that you just do from time to time?
When I was a kid, I used to do it, right?
So here's the thing.
This is the least surprising thing you've ever said.
I'll put a link in the show notes about this.
This polarizer thing, if you haven't ever seen this before, it will give you a similar feeling learning about special relativity.
It's like...
Especially when you explain it to people or when you first learn it, you know, in my case, when you're a kid or whatever, like the ideas behind it, like, wait a second.
Everybody in the world has known.
It's not everybody.
Everybody in the world has known that this is true and no one has told me.
And they've known it since, like, the early 1900s.
Like, everyone has known that the speed of light is a constant in any inertial frame of reference.
And all the consequences that come from that.
And no one just says anything about it.
And you tell someone about it when they're an adult and the consequences of it.
And you're like, yeah, things shrink in their direction of motion.
You're like, what do you mean things shrink?
Like, well, see, the speed of light is a constant.
Everything else, including time and space, adjusts to accommodate that.
Like, no, that's not how anything works.
Like, no, yeah, that's how things work.
It's like, no, that's not...
yeah it's like the nature of reality so many people don't things that fundamental things that people don't know about the nature of reality because mostly because it's not relevant to your daily life when things are not moving past each other at anything approaching the speed of light so it's not relevant but when you learn that about your reality like it blows your mind and then you learn yeah and scientists have known this for like a hundred something years what
and no one told me so here the the polarizer one has something like that so here's the here's the fun polarizer thing it's in the video so i'll put a link in the show notes if you want to watch this youtube video explains it probably better than i'm going to right now but remember what i said about the polarizing filters and like you you know you twist it and it like they only let through light that is going in a particular direction and they don't let through light that's going in other directions right
so if you take two polarizing filters and you put you know one filter on one end of a tube and one filter on the other end of the tube right and you shine light in one end right if you twist those two lenses relative to each other you can adjust how much light is going through because the first filter will filter out some light and then you twist the other one if you twist them at 90 degrees it in theory blocks all of the light right and if you you know 90 degrees relative to each other and as you align them to be facing the same direction they let through as much light as possible right
So you get these two filters, one on one and one on the other, and you twist them so they're knocking out some amount of light, right?
And you're like, okay, I put in this amount of light and then I see the amount of light that comes out the other end is like half.
So the amount that I've twisted them, I'm knocking out half the light.
The exciting thing about powerwizing filters is if you take that arrangement, two filters, one on each end of a tube, light goes in, half the light comes out.
If you put a third filter in the middle of the tube,
More light can come out the end than before.
What?
So you got two filters.
Light goes in, half the light comes out.
It's like, I know what I'll do.
I'll put a third filter in the middle and I'll twist it.
And now more light comes out the end?
Okay.
Okay.
And this is one of those things that's like, okay, you think you know how reality works, but it's like learning about special relativity.
It's like, wait, that doesn't make any sense.
And you start bargaining with yourself about, okay, well, maybe the first filter changes the light so that the second filter changes it back so more of it goes through the second one.
Watch the video.
It will probably hurt your brain a little bit, probably a little bit more than special relativity does because that's the type of thing you can explain pretty easily.
And this gets into quantum mechanics and stuff.
But the bottom line is the universe does not work the way you think it works.
in many really important ways, and something as simple as a pair of polarizing sunglasses can show you this and then lead you to do all the experiments that, again, scientists did like, you know, 100 years ago to learn something about reality that scientists know but regular people don't that is very, very disturbing and will really make you question the nature of your reality, as they say on Westworld.
I feel better for having had my reality rocked here on the 500th episode of ATP.
See, other people just take drugs.
We have this stuff.
We have physics.
Next time you go to a Phish concert, bring a tube and three polarizing filters with you.
And be like, okay, light goes in the end, light goes in.
Now I'm going to put in the third filter.
What do you think is going to happen?
Everybody's like, it's going to block more light, dude.
It's like, really?
More light is coming out.
Watch this, baby.
Whoa.
How does that work?
I'll see you next time.
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Colin Robertson writes in, regarding the iPhone's main camera focal lengths, Marco mentioned that he thought most iPhones until the 14 Pro were all equivalent to be about 26 millimeters.
I was recently wondering the same thing, so I gathered as much information as I could about every iPhone camera system, and I put it all together in a spreadsheet, which we will link in the show notes.
It's an iCloud numbers document, so who knows if it'll work, but we'll see.
Colin continues to get to the point.
The main camera is going from 37mm on the original iPhone 3GS to, excuse me, the original iPhone through 3GS to now 24mm.
The 4, 4S, and 5 were all around 30 to 32.
My favorite focal length in the iPhone was the 4S, writes Colin.
Then to about 28mm on the 5S through the 10, then to 26mm starting with the 10S generation.
Also, John assumed that the 2X mode on the 14 Pro camera is, quote, still going to be better than any 2X camera that Apple has ever shipped, unfortunately.
Quote, I didn't believe him because that's a pretty heavy crop.
Doing the math on that, the new substantially larger sensor cropped to the 2X size will take the 9.8 by 7.3 millimeter sensor to 4.9 by 3.65 millimeters, which is still larger than the 4 by 3 telephoto sensors that have been all the iPhone 2X and 3X cameras.
Nice.
Finally, John should use a lens hood to protect his lenses rather than a clear UV filter.
God help me, here we are again.
They help reduce flare, which results in washed out, low contrast images, and are better at protecting the front element than a filter.
I actually do use a hood on both of my lenses, and I concur with Colin on this one.
yeah i just want i put i wanted to throw that in there because of the mention of uv and the hood thing so yes i use hoods on all my uh camera lenses uh that's not just for safety although of course it does provide some safety because you know camera goes face down on the ground it'll hit the hood first another lens element but it's also it prevents you know glare and everything it does what the lens hood is supposed to do but if you're at the beach
One of the things you're trying to protect against is water and grit and sand and who knows what else jump being thrown by crashing waves into the lens.
And in that case, the lens hood is only going to protect it if it comes from the side.
But if it comes straight out the lens, that's when you need a clear element in the front.
And we mentioned last time that sometimes they call those...
clear screw on things that are not polarizing or anything they're just supposed to be a clear piece of you know material sometimes they call those uv filters for filtering out ultraviolet light which used to be much more important on film cameras because film was more sensitive to uv light but apparently on cameras on modern digital cameras
most digital sensors or parts of the imaging system of digital cameras don't pick up uv anyway there was an article i think we'll link in the show notes that has like graphs of the various sensors and various cameras showing what wavelengths of light they are sensitive to at all and a lot of them you see a hard cut off before you start going into uv in particular my
camera that i'm using it doesn't you know you don't need a uv filter for it so they still sell them as uv filters and they still do filter out uv but depending on your camera especially if it's a modern digital one it may not be particularly useful for protecting its uv but it will protect against very small rocks
I'm very happy to hear the reports of the 2X crop on the iPhone 14 Pro actually having more sensor area to work with than the previous 2X cameras did and presumably the 3X camera as well.
And we'll see.
The reviews have all been pretty minimally discussing the 2X.
But so far, it seems like they might back this up.
And I don't actually have a 14 Pro yet.
None of us do yet.
It's coming in a couple of days.
But for next week's show, I hope to have some kind of impression of this.
You know, the 2X camera and the 3X camera have always, as we talked about in the show, been so inferior optically to the 1X camera.
And maybe this will help a little bit.
The only thing is that it's not exactly a direct comparison because you're getting the reduced color resolution, if that makes sense, because you're taking those quad Bayer pixels and, you know, you're going to have the resulting...
pixels are going to have a different Bayer arrangement than they would have on a sensor dedicated just to that focal length.
You're going to have the clusters of four of each color together, and you'll be relying on the raw algorithms to de-mosaic that color-wise, I guess, and to interpret what the color should be.
And there are going to be lower resolution on that input data because of the clustering of those quad pixels.
So...
It isn't exactly a direct comparison, but in practice, the sensors were so crappy on the 2X and 3X cameras before that this is probably going to be an improvement anyway, just because it is getting larger pixels, even though you have that issue of the reduced color detail.
Yeah, that's the math that Colin did because he didn't believe my mostly snarky comment about it still being better than the 2X camera.
But you do the math and the cropped sensor that they're using for the 2X is still bigger than any 2X or 3X sensor that Apple has shipped.
Satellite location sharing.
If you're on an adventure, writes Apple, without cell service, you can now use Find My to share your location via satellite so friends and family know where you are.
I feel like they mentioned this extremely briefly in the keynote and then blew right by it.
Yep, they did.
Well, so since satellite isn't, like this feature isn't shipping yet, I forget what the date it is, but we'll talk more about delayed dates in a little bit.
But anyway, we won't be able to test this even when we get our phones.
My question is, okay, so I understand the feature, but does it work by me having to pause in my hike every once in a while and do that thing where I point my phone at the satellite?
Or does it happen ambiently with my phone in my backpack?
I'm pretty sure you have to send it.
And the one thing is, so this is...
The way the emergency SOS via satellite feature was advertised in the keynote and everything we know about it so far, it seems like it is, with this exception, only able to be used as a 911, to actually get emergency responder help.
And so you wouldn't want to use that if it's not really an emergency.
If you just want to send a message to somebody, it would be inappropriate to use that service to do it.
outside of an emergency situation you can still use the satellite service they're providing to send your location to people like you know upon command so periodically so if you're out on a hike in the middle of nowhere you can send your location you know once or twice a day or whatever it is to your spouse or whoever you know your people at home you can send it to them to say hey look i was on top of this mountain today in case you need to know where i am in case something happens like
here's where i was a few hours ago or something like that so you can do that now you know i do wonder are people going to like devise meanings for things like remember like when when you were growing up being the nerd in the room um and you would uh need your parents to pick you up from somewhere and you learned about collect calls and so you'd go to the nearest pay phone and you and you wouldn't put a quarter and you'd call your you'd call collect to your parents and it would ask you for your name and you'd be like hey mom come pick me up now bye you know and then
your mom would get a phone call would you like to accept a collect call from hey mom can pick me up now bye as if you're reading glass of story didn't already make people think you're old no but none of the kids know have any idea what you're talking about right so in in the absence of of like you know a a proper you know communication channel that you wanted to use you would fake this this kind of sideband capability this other channel that you could use well i wonder like are you going to devise like a system with like okay well if my location is like
on the you know north side of of a little tiny hill it means i want you to deliver me a pizza you know if your location is on the east side you know it means you know i just saw a funny looking animal you know like i wonder you know people will do stuff like you know nobody's gonna know what a collect call is and if i try to explain it now you're just gonna cut it out aren't you
No, because our listeners, somebody out there was like the head engineer who designed collect calls.
We'll put a link in the show and it's still collect calls.
It's not that interesting except to appreciate modern technology and how lucky you are to never have had to deal with this.
And also, and I would say the really more visceral part of dealing with collect calls and stuff like that,
Yeah, is the idea that as children, we would all just be waiting at the school for our parents to pick us up with no way to communicate with them because we don't have a quarter for the phone.
And there's no one home to get our collect call because our parents are at work or on the road or whatever.
And we don't know their work number.
If they're on the road, we can't call them.
And so you just sit there at the school and just be a bunch of kids sitting out in front of the school just waiting.
Just waiting half an hour, hour.
Sometimes you think about I could probably walk home.
How far is it?
And you're like, I'd walk along the highway.
That seems dangerous.
So you just sit there waiting and you assume your parents are going to come pick you up at some point.
That experience.
That's an experience.
Most kids don't have these days.
These days they want to get picked up.
They want to get picked up now.
And if you're not there immediately, something is wrong and they're nagging you by a text or whatever.
We just had to sit at the school and wait and assume someone will come and get us.
If you're out there immediately, they'll just summon their own Lyft from their phone.
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Apple Watch S8 chip.
This is the chip in the brand new Apple Watch.
Apparently, it's basically the same as the S6 and the S7.
Cool.
I mean, that would explain why they didn't really talk about it.
The Apple Watch, they haven't really upgraded the internals at all in the processing area, and so they're doing it in other ways.
Now,
There was some speculation about this possibly being related to the manufacturing process they're using.
These are all still apparently 7nm chips by some people's figuring.
And so maybe they're waiting for yields and stuff on 3nm to be able to jump to that for next year's models.
Maybe it's not worth the cost to use those super advanced process nodes because maybe in the case of the watch...
maybe the processor is not a major consumer of power.
Maybe it's much more about the radios and the screen.
Um, who knows, but, uh, and, and certainly, you know, the exercise sensor, you know, the, the LEDs that, that measure all the, you know, heart rate and all that stuff.
Those are all pretty big power consumers.
So maybe it doesn't matter as much for the watch.
Um,
I do think that this is an area where keep in mind that the watch is one of Apple's least expensive products that has the custom silicon chips in it.
So cost is a major factor there.
And we also have to keep in mind that yields on these chips and on the new processes are constrained in some way.
And I think this is one thing that I think has been under-discussed about the iPhone 14 versus 14 Pro with the 14 keeping last year's chip instead of getting the new chip.
I think that might have something to do with process yields.
And certainly, if it doesn't have to do with it this year, it might have to do with it next year if they jump to 3nm for the A17, right?
And then they have the A16 for the mainstream phone.
We have to keep in mind that when Apple's scale is immense, and especially with their headlining product of the iPhone, they have to make so many of the damn things that supply becomes a really strong constraint in a lot of these areas.
And so when they have to make decisions like, do we put the A16 in the iPhone 14 or just the 14 Pro –
One of the things that has to go into that is, can we make enough of them to put them in all of our phones from this model year?
And then to keep putting them into next year and the year after that as the mainstream phone becomes the cheaper one, do we have enough for that?
And if they separate out the newest chip to only be in the Pro phone...
then that allows them to use, to make more aggressive decisions in what components they use and what techniques and manufacturing processes they can use because they don't need as many of them.
And I wonder to what degree that filters down to their other products too, like the watch.
The watch, as I mentioned, it's a very inexpensive product.
So it can't afford super expensive components compared to the other ones.
And
It's something where the processor does seem to matter a lot less.
Even if my hypothesis is wrong that it's not a massive power consumer, you can at least look and say, well, look, they just released the same processor three years in a row for the watch and no one seems to care.
So obviously it's not that important to the market.
So either way, I think those angles of yields and availability of new components for their volume
I think we often don't think of that as a possible justification for some of the choices they make.
But in this case, I think that's very likely to have played a role, especially given the weird situation we have with COVID and supply chain and chips and everything else.
So that might have played a role here of why they just sat on this for a while.
They're also now probably achieving some pretty great efficiencies in the sense that they are using what seem to be the same CPU cores in the entire current Apple Watch lineup from the SE all the way to the Ultra.
They are apparently using the same cores, not the same overall chip package, but
but the same cores, it seems.
And so that has to play some role.
Plus, those same cores are going into, I believe, the HomePod Mini has those already.
And I think the rumor is that the next HomePod will have the same ones.
So, like, the next big HomePod will have the same ones.
So, you know, they're achieving a lot of efficiencies here, and there's probably good reasons for that.
I'm still excited to get my new watch.
And apparently you have some things to talk about in this department, which we'll get to in a little bit.
Apple has delayed iCloud shared photo library for iOS 16.
This is a bummer, but I much prefer them taking a pause to make sure it is absolutely rock solid rather than saying, YOLO, we'll ship it and see what happens.
So I am begrudgingly behind this decision if they feel like it's necessary.
There's a bunch of features that are delayed.
I mean, this is the new way Apple works is they announce a bunch of features for their new OS.
And then when the new OS ships, some of those features aren't going to make it.
Usually they're getting better about knowing which those are.
So when they give the presentation, here is iOS 16.
And they tell you about the features and they'll one or two of them and they'll say, I'm coming later this fall.
Like they don't all make lunch, right?
Sometimes we just forget about them.
They're delayed so long.
I can't even remember what those features are.
But occasionally there's been a feature that hasn't come out for like six months, eight months.
That's a bummer when that happens.
Sometimes they don't ship at all like air power.
But yeah, the shared photo library is not shipping.
In some sense, it makes sense because your photo library is, you know, the point of it.
iCloud photo libraries for it to be shared across all your devices.
And if you go all in on the shared photo library and you move everything to a shared one, you won't be able to see those photos on your devices that don't support this yet.
And of course, you know, iOS 16 is out, but iPad OS 16 is not out.
Mac OS Ventura is not out.
So it would be weird to have it only on your phone to move everything into a shared library and then just have your pictures disappear from your Mac and your iPad.
So they still have to deal with that situation, obviously.
They could probably have some big screen that says, hey, you know, by doing this, we noticed that you are signed into a bunch of devices that are not running Ventura, that are not running iPadOS 16.1.
And so just so you know, any picture you put into the shared library is not going to be available on those devices anymore.
If you're fine with that, go ahead.
You know, they still have to put all that logic in.
This doesn't really solve any problems
compatibility or messaging problems for them but uh yeah i would rather have it bake a little bit longer if that's what they need even if they're just doing it for like well there's no rush and the maximum benefit of the feature will come out when all the os's come out you know take your time because i you know this is one of those features that i'm gonna have a difficult time
uh being wise about right like the wise thing to do would be oh let's let someone else try it with their hundred thousand photo library and see how it goes uh but i want to use i've waited so long in the future i want to use it like day one and it's going to be all i can do to like sort of cautiously like make the library very carefully and then let me put 10 photos into it let me put 100 photos into it you know like i'm gonna i'm gonna want to use it pretty quickly i'm thinking i'm gonna be one of those early adopters so i really hope it doesn't bite me so
Please, Apple, release it when it's ready.
We had a really good tweet from Dan Engler who writes, Motion to call the wobbly animated successor to The Notch, The Splotch, which is very, very good.
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Not a name that you would think Apple is going to choose, but I thought it was clever.
There's lots of other funny names that get thrown in there, but I feel like after a week or two of the dynamic island floating around,
i think there's a possibility that within the apple nerd circle the island might end up having some staying power because dynamic island like lost yeah it's just dynamic island is just too many syllables yeah you got everyone's going to put it in their reviews because you have to because it's a branded feature capital d capital i dynamic island there's probably a tm after it who knows
But when talking about it, well, here's two things.
One, you have to call it something, right?
Like the developer API, as I think Steve Troughton Smith pointed out, or maybe he was a Guy Rambo, like it's called Dynamic Island in the API, right?
And for the, you know, the live activities or whatever.
like they have to call it something like for example apis related to the doc on the mac they have doc in the name because what the hell you have to give it a name right it's one of the hard problems of computer science what do i call the doc apis they gotta have doc in the name what are the apis related to providing views that are going to you know compose themselves into the dynamic island dynamic island is right there in the api name so developers at least
We're going to have to keep seeing and auto completing that long name.
And so that will cement it into their minds.
But then when you're writing help text or when you're communicating with users or when you're doing anything related to that, you have to communicate to people who use your application.
you know what is that the splotch like you have to call it something i don't think you're going to want to call it the dynamic island because no one knows what that is but i think island might catch on as as the i said on the last show there's nothing in a user in the computer user interface that has used the name island before we used palette dock you know bar toolbar all sorts of words for interface elements obviously window all that other stuff right uh
Uh, but Island has not been one of them.
And I think Apple may be able to make Island happen as a thing specifically for this blob on this particular phone.
Um, if this feature is copied by other phone makers, cause it's pretty easy to copy.
Like, you know, they already have a whole bunch of displays everywhere.
It's just no one has done this exact thing in terms of making it, you know, look like the interface element is growing and shrinking and all that other stuff.
maybe they'll call their things something island too, or maybe people will just casually call it.
Oh yeah.
My phone has an island too.
Kind of like hole punch camera, which is a generic term for a, you know, somewhere in a screen where there's pixels all around it that light up, but there's no pixels light up here because something, you know, has to see through there or whatever.
So we'll see.
I don't think the splotch has staying power, although it's very clever.
I'm glad it's not the pill.
The black hole is no good.
Dynamic island is silly, but maybe island.
Maybe that'll work.
Oh, we did learn from the review on The Verge today of the iPhone 14 Pro.
We learned a little bit about what that display engine on the A16 is doing.
They mentioned in the keynote that it was somehow involved in
special anti-aliasing for the dynamic island and we were we were kind of wondering what that meant and so what the verg said was that the um apparently the dynamic island itself like as it's being rendered the edges of it use sub-pixel anti-aliasing and nowhere else in ios uses this um and this is something that i mean when this i mean this was first done i think in windows i believe it was called clear type was that was it was called
The idea of using the RGB subpixels individually to kind of represent the anti-aliasing blur on an edge of something to make things look even sharper than they otherwise would have with just using whole pixels.
And it's a great technique.
And macOS supported this for a while with...
that weird preference that seemed to do the opposite of what it said it was doing that weird checkbox.
Um, and I think they dropped that a while back, but, um, iOS has never done it.
And it kind of makes sense.
If you think about, you know, sub pixel anti wrestling requires you to know the arrangement of the sub pixels when you're rendering something.
And on iOS, you support screen rotation.
Um,
And therefore, if you supported subpixel AA in iOS, every time the screen rotated, you would have to re-render anything that was subpixel anti-aliased.
And there's also a whole bunch of other things that make it challenging with things like capturing shots of things for animations.
There's a whole bunch of...
of um challenging problems and and kind of gotchas using subpixel anti-aliasing compositing in particular like that's one of the main reasons that apple dropped it even before they went retina because arguably you could say well you don't need it in retina because the subpixel the pixels themselves are small enough but even i think even before retina the
It made sense to drop because when you composite with the subpixels, when you do subpixel anti-aliasing, you may just light up one of the, in the max case, one of the three subpixels.
So maybe it's just the red subpixel.
But now you've got a little red turd there, right?
And when you're compositing that layer with another layer, it's not the color it's supposed to be.
Like, say the background is white, right?
It's not white.
It's red.
Because you just turned on the red sub-pixel and you didn't turn on the green or the blue one at all.
And so when you composite it, red mixes in with the thing behind it.
But that's not right.
It's supposed to be white mixing in with it.
And it adds lots of complexities to... Sub-pixel antiolysis adds lots of complexities to compositing.
And then once you're in retina, it's like, well, the regular pixels are small enough.
And so it makes... And then you don't have to wear a rotation.
And then on top of all that, the phones don't even have a red, a green, and a blue sub-pixel for each pixel on the screen.
they think they even the current item uses that pentile display where every pixel doesn't even have its own red and green and blue like they share a green between adjacent pixels and they're arranged in this weird diamond pattern we'll find a link for the show notes to look this up but it's not even like there's three little stripes red green and blue like on a turnitron display on phone things for a variety of reasons you know again you don't notice this because it's super tiny but if you look at the verge video you see the sub pixel arrangement
you can see it looks like this weird honeycomb it looks like like the whatever that interface we never came up with name with that speaking of names for things what the hell is that called on the watch where there's like a big honeycomb hive of app icons oh it's called grid view even though it's not it's not a grid everyone calls it the honeycomb except apple
yeah anyway uh it's it's kind of like that filled with pixels and you can kind of see how it's working um although i don't think that necessarily explains the display unit because you could do that you could do that on the cpu you could do it on the gpu why is it that we need this other display engine thing like i don't i don't have a good technical explanation of that but maybe it's related to that but at any rate you can look in the video and you can see they are doing some pixel indexing around the uh
I was about to say the notch around the island.
Another thing from the Verge video, which is kind of disappointing, although in hindsight, I should have thought of this.
Again, we don't have our phones yet, but if you see it on video, OLED screens, you just don't turn on the pixels, so they're totally black.
But the reflectivity, like how much light bounces off,
a screen pixel that's not on and how much light bounces off the actual hole that leads to the camera is different and so in sunlight even though the dynamic island is doing its thing you can see within the totally blacked out area the slightly differently black
area that is the face id thing that is the front facing camera so it kind of ruins the illusion indoors you can't see it but outdoors in sunlight you can see that there is a slightly differently black thing inside the larger splotch
And then finally, very quickly, many moons ago, we discussed a story about how Ubiquity had had a really terrible breach and had lost a bunch of confidential and private information about their customers.
And it later turned out to be an inside job because some, I don't remember the details, but it was like somebody had gotten fired or was playing some sort of stock game where they really wanted Ubiquity to have problems.
And I just wanted to take note very quickly that Krebs, which was the original news source that broke the story, has unequivocally walked back their reporting and said in a way that Bloomberg is apparently incapable of that they were dead wrong and they shouldn't have run it.
And I think they've actually pulled the original story off their website and so on and so forth.
So I just wanted to very quickly acknowledge that.
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We bought some stuff, probably, maybe.
So I will say the ordering process once again proves that the Apple Store app on iOS is the best way to be doing this.
Hard agree, but we shouldn't be telling people that.
That should be our member perk, is how do you most efficiently order an iPhone?
But yes, the answer is the Apple Store app.
So I was very pleasantly surprised that in past years, and I'm not part of the iPhone upgrade program, but in past years, even those of us who were not in the upgrade program, we had the option to bookmark or favorite whatever we wanted to buy before buying time.
So you could go with the day before and set everything up and configure it and favorite it.
And then at buying time, you'd just go into your favorites, and then you'd jump right there, and you'd save a few steps.
But you still have to go through a lot.
um this year we got what i've i've heard the upgrade program people have gotten before which is this year you could go through almost the entire process ahead of time uh anybody could upgrade program or not and you'd go through everything like are you trading in a phone are you replacing this phone on your at&t kind of like everything go through the entire thing even put in uh whether you're using apple pay or not like put in everything and
And have that ready to go.
And then as soon as opening time happened, you could like tap like two buttons and it was done.
And that I was very happy to see that it worked perfectly for me.
It was weird how they chose who to let in.
I was pleased to see that it like auto refreshed the page.
So you didn't have to keep force quit in the app.
I did anyway.
Oh, is that right?
I did not know that.
Yeah, like I had it open in my web browser, too.
And like it auto refreshed.
I was very happy to see that.
This is one of the few times that I actually endorsed force quitting is in years past.
That hasn't been true.
And even because what you're basically trying to you're on like a waiting screen and you're like, OK, but do I just sit here and stare at the screen and it will eventually let me in?
And one way to sort of avoid having to wonder that is just kill the app and then relaunch it.
Because when it relaunches, you see a little spinner and it tries.
And if you get the waiting screen, it can, you know.
So anyway, I heard lots of people say, oh, it auto refreshes.
You don't have to do that.
But I don't think anybody knows what the auto refresh interval is.
And if the interval is less than you can furiously force quit and relaunch the app, you still might get in slightly faster by force quitting and relaunching the app.
But yeah, it's probably better to not do that and just sit there and wait patiently.
I was also pleased to see that nothing was really backordered or out of stock or having dates slip for quite a while.
If you wanted something on day one, unless you were going for things that I wasn't seeing, you could get it very easily.
And in fact, that applied for me not only to the phones, which I ordered first, but I thought for sure the AirPod Pros would be instantly backordered.
And not only were they not instantly backordered, they weren't even backordered halfway through the day.
I went back at noon, and it was still day one delivery with custom engraving.
So that I was very pleased to see.
It seems like, if I had to guess, it seems like the AirPod Pros have been done and ready for a while, and they were maybe just holding it for the phone event.
But...
They seemed to have plenty of stock of those.
So that was very nice to see.
So overall, that was very positive for me as an experience and possibly the smoothest mad rush iPhone buying experience I've had yet.
My experience was less easy.
I think ultimately, let me just start by saying before I get a bunch of emails, I think a lot of this might have been user error, but I have three phones coming to me on Friday, as it turns out, because I made mistakes.
So I had done the like pre-registration or whatever they called it.
I forget what they called it, but I'd done the pre-registration to get everything squared away, just like Marco was talking about.
I really liked that.
It was really good.
For the first time, I wanted to go ahead and do anything
And the reason I wanted to do that was because I live nearish a major like corporate like white collar office area.
Don't be don't be creepy.
And that's all of America.
Well, it doesn't narrow it down at all.
Well, but I'm near enough.
I'm near enough that I think the UPS truck that covers this major office area also covers me.
So I think this is based on no facts at all.
But I think what happens is the UPS truck goes and does all the businesses during business hours.
And then once that's all taken care of, oh, I guess we can go and, you know, take care of all the individual homes and whatnot that are nearby.
So my deliveries from UPS are always like five, six, seven, nine, you know, like in the evening.
So I thought, you know what, I'm going to try it.
I want to do in-store pickup.
I'd squared away just my phone.
I got it all ready to rock.
And I go, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop, bloop.
I would like in-store pickup.
I'll do whatever time.
I don't care.
Early as I can.
Go, go, go, go, go.
And there was an issue on the Apple Pay screen, you know, where you would normally see the check mark with the blue circle around it, the blue check mark with the blue circle.
I saw a blue circle with an exclamation point.
hmm in typical apple fashion that tells me nothing what's wrong is my payment bad is my pickup time bad who knows it doesn't matter all we know is it didn't work and i'm like frantically just freaking out trying to figure out what am i supposed to do to fix this problem you haven't told me what the problem is you've just said nope it's like radar and
In Apple Store form.
But anyways, I go back through.
If I recall correctly, I went through on Apple Pay the second time.
And it was after I hit the, you know, double tapped the lock button or whatever you want to call it, that I realized, oh, this says delivery on it.
So then I figured, all right, well, selfishly, I'm covered.
It'll come on Friday.
I'll be fine.
At this point, I got to take care of Aaron's phone, which admittedly I should have done already.
I take the fall on that.
I had a bad husband morning that morning.
But I should take care of Aaron's phone and screw it.
I'll see if I can just do mine at the same time.
So now that I have a little bit of a parachute in that I already have a $1,400 order coming my way, I decide, okay, I'm going to go and take my time.
I'm going to go through it.
And I think I had originally had an order time like 8.15 at the Apple store.
Now my order time has dropped, oh, woe is me, to like 8.45.
But then I was able to send through both phones for in-store pickup, and I think all is well.
At this point, I don't want to mess with the system because I'm scared I'm going to screw something up.
So I don't want to cancel it at all for at least the first 24 hours.
And I don't think they let you anyway.
This is like a don't touch anything situation.
It's like, all right, I got the orders in.
Even if it's not quite, you know, I might have to like adjust it tomorrow.
But just, yeah, just don't touch it.
Exactly.
I had looked on like Saturday and I think I'd looked on Sunday and I'd looked on both the app and on the website and nowhere could I find a cancel button for the individual iPhone order, the one that's shipped.
So I think it was Monday morning.
I finally go on, you know, do a little Apple chat.
And the person basically said in so many words, it's already shipped.
Tough noogies.
So my first phone is sitting in Louisville and should be here at some point Friday.
And then hypothetically, if you're in the Richmond area and want to run into me, you can find me at the Apple store at 845 in the morning or thereabouts this coming Friday.
So I will need to return the phone that I bought.
So man, it was a journey, y'all.
It was a journey.
But hopefully in a couple of days, I will be squared away.
John, what did you do?
speaking of apple pay stuff and the little blue exclamation point thing like like last week i had a thing i was buying something i think it was an etsy i think i was buying something for my daughter and i try to check out with apple pay as i usually do and it was like oh your shipping address is invalid and just to be clear my shipping address hasn't changed in more than 20 years like it's not not a thing that i update um
I was like, what do you mean it's not?
And then, like, it gave me – there was some way where I could choose one of these addresses.
And they were all the same address.
It was like 123 Main Street.
You know, maybe one of them – I think one of them said U.S.
The other one said United States.
Maybe one of them said Street.
Maybe one of them said ST instead of S-T-R-E-E-T.
Maybe one of them had the zip plus four.
Maybe one had the plain zip.
But they were all the same address.
But more importantly –
i haven't changed my address i haven't modified my contact card i haven't done anything like what do you mean invalid address and i just couldn't buy that thing from etsy like i couldn't no matter which address i picked it would be like sorry that's an invalid address invalid and this is apple pay like the apple pay sheet is telling this not at c.com the apple pay thing that comes up on my phone like the ui element not from the web page but from the os was telling me yeah no you don't have a valid address enter a valid address or i can't do it like
So I just pay with credit card, like, you know, non-Apple credit card to do that thing.
And I didn't think much of it.
I'm like, well, maybe Etsy's messed up.
Who knows?
But I was brought back to that when I tried to take my nicely prepared order.
I did this whole order prep thing in the app or whatever.
and tried to buy it and it's like oh please pick a valid shipping address i'm like oh no like because you don't want to see that on the morning when you had everything all prepared and i think the store opened up for me like 805 or 806 or something like that uh
But this time, when it said pick a valid address, I just picked the top address on the duplicate list of my same address, and it went through.
I don't know what its problem is, but it's kind of wigging me out, Apple Pay stuff.
And, of course, you want to make sure you're paying with your Apple Card and Apple Pay to get the whatever percent back that you get on the thing.
But Apple Pay, what's your deal?
Like, my address has not changed.
It's perfectly valid.
There's nothing weird about it.
It got so inside my head about, like,
does it care about us versus united space states and like if you go to the country list and a contact card united states is how it's spelled out but like why did the other one say us anyway after that i went to like you can go to somewhere in settings where apple pay where you see like your your uh payment addresses or shipping addresses and i just deleted them all except for the one that is associated with my contact card again these are all the same address they're not different addresses i deleted them all this is after doing my iphone r and everything
And hopefully that will make it happy that there's now only one choice that is the same address that's been in my contact card for 20 years.
But we'll see a little bit of a shakiness.
And you might chalk it up to like, oh, it's just iPhone morning.
You know what it's like when lots of people ordering.
But the Etsy thing was like a week earlier.
So I don't know what's going on.
But anyway, I ordered my phone.
I got day one delivery.
In theory, it's going to come on Friday.
It's super boring.
I think we talked about it.
It's 256 gig black.
I did the thing that I talked about last week where you look at your storage size or whatever, and I got a 256 gig phone last time, and I'm using about half the storage, so I feel comfortable getting another one.
I did double check on my wife's phone because...
My plan is to move all of our photos from her family photo library into a shared family photo library.
So suddenly I will have way more photos on my phone.
Obviously, I'm not going to download them all, do the optimized storage thing or whatever.
But I wanted to see on her phone, does having the full library, because she's got all of them right now, does having the full library impact your storage?
And she was also using about half of her 256.
So I felt somewhat comfortable that I'll be able to fit within 256.
I'll let you know if I regret that decision later.
um yeah it's black um and i had to deal with the case situation uh last year i i bought the apple last year last time i got a phone for the 12 pro i bought the apple silicone case because i figured yeah i don't i don't think i'm gonna like the lip but let me try it anyway and that's how i determined that i don't like the lip because the silicone case
has the lip and i don't like it i like the case otherwise it was great but i don't like the lip um so this year uh i had to make a similar decision by the way why i bought the silicone case last time was like i don't know what i'm gonna get let me try this one we'll see how i like it i didn't want to spend all the money for the leather one which i knew also had the lip so let me buy a cheaper silicone one just to try out the lip well this year i know i don't like the lip on the bottom of the phone so i can't buy the apple silicone one i can't buy the apple leather one because again they have the lip on the bottom of the phone and i don't like that because when i swipe up from the
Is it the home indicator?
I believe that's what we're calling that, yeah.
Dynamic, the island indicator of home.
My thumb hits the edge of the case and I don't like it, right?
But Apple does sell one case that doesn't have the bottom lip.
I think we talked about this last year or the year before that.
um why this case doesn't have a lip uh but regardless it doesn't the apple clear case does not have a lower lip on the phone so people know that is like the the part where you plug in the lightning connector that piece of metal is pretty much entirely exposed on the bottom of the phone the case does not have wrap all the way around that the case doesn't have like a cutout for you to stick in the lightning connector and a cutout for the speaker holes and a cutout for the mic it doesn't have that as the whole bottom is exposed right but
So I got the Apple clear case.
I don't like the clear case.
I don't want the clear case, but I do want a case on my phone and need something to tide me over until I can find a case that I actually like, which is going to be a struggle.
And this year to my list of struggles, I, I'm sort of up the ante a little bit on what I want out of a case.
Uh, last year I wanted a black leather or not last year.
Last time I got a phone, I wanted a black leather case.
There was a,
just like the apple black leather case but with no bottom lip and i got as close to that as i could find which was that oxr you know at the time 20 now five dollar and 49 cent leather uh iphone case um and i love it i'm still on my phone it's it's amazing it's i've had it for two years it's held up great it's exactly what i want right and
Not quite as nice as the Apple leather one, but it was $20.
Come on.
This year, I'm adding one more thing.
Last time, I didn't care about MagSafe.
This year, I want MagSafe.
I like the idea of sticking it on my... I got my wife a MagSafe mount for her car, I think, last Christmas or something.
It's really handy, and it charges your phone while you're in the car.
So...
Now I have to add that to the list.
There are lots of black leather cases with open bottoms with MagSafe in them.
But the thing I talked about last time and the reason I like the OXR one is how the buttons are treated.
The Apple leather case usually, I haven't looked at them in a couple years now that have lips, but they usually in Apple leather cases have like a recess where the volume buttons and the power button are and
And then within that recess, there is a little metal button that hits the button underneath it.
And the recess is important because it allows the buttons to be, you know, thick, like a little piece of metal poking out, but not extend that far outside the phone because they are thick and they stand proud of the recess.
It's not like the case has flat sides and then on top of the flat side, there is a two millimeter button sticking out.
There's like a one millimeter indentation and a two millimeter button inside the indentation.
So it only sticks out one millimeter, if that's making sense.
that's what apple does with their cases uh with their leather cases that's what i want lots of leather cases with no bottom lip on them for iphones don't do that they have metal buttons that stick out from the edge of the case sometimes there's even like a pucker where there's like a mound and on top of the mound the metal buttons stick out on top of that i don't like that
But I had trouble.
Olixar is not apparently not making this case again, because I don't know why someone, some listener sent them an email and asked them if they were going to make a case like the old one.
And they said, no, we don't have any plans at this time.
Who knows if that if the person answering the email even understood what the question was, because.
you know whatever uh so i will keep an eye out for the olex r1 but in the meantime i just bit the bullet and i bought the i ordered the case that i resisted ordering last time because i thought i wouldn't like the buttons i still think i won't like the buttons but i ordered it for two reasons one the giant camera mesa on the back it's so big on the iphone 14 pro just gargantuan and
And I think I want to try what this case does with that, which is sort of have a gentle slope.
Instead of the wall, the plastic wall that the Apple cases tend to build around the thing.
And that's, you know, my wife has that, you know, Apple case on her iPhone 13 Pro.
And I felt like that little wall, this has a gentle slope.
Like it's kind of like a crater that builds up to it.
A leather, a leather slope, a leather, like maybe I like that better.
Yeah, maybe, maybe I like that better than just having a wall.
So let me try that.
um and the other thing is it's not available it's not even shipping until october 17th so that's why i need a case to tide me over because you can't even get it you can pre-order it which is what i did oh it's very expensive too it's like 80 something bucks wait which case is this this is i'll put a link in the show notes it's uh the bull strap leather case they sell a bunch of other stuff the leather looks fine everything this is the one the gruber likes right
yeah it's got a bowl embossed on the back and i really wish there was nothing embossed on the back we'll see how it goes i mean i may get it and it may just be like too thick and too chunky i mean i'll have to you know anyway the clear case i mean i don't think i've ever used apple's clear i don't like how it looks i don't find it attractive it's got that big circle on the line on the back and i don't my phone is black i'm not showing off any cool color inside my clear case or anything like that
One thing my daughter does is she sticks stuff between her clear case and the phone.
You can put stickers in there.
You can put little pictures and stuff like that.
I don't think I'm going to be doing that, but that's at least one of the advantages of having a clear case.
So we'll see.
We'll see how this goes.
But yeah, I ordered my phone and a clear case that's sitting on my desk right now.
And I'm going, this is, every time I get a phone out, this is the awkward period where like for the 12 Pro, I used it without a case for a while.
Then I used it with a silicone case.
Then I tried a bunch of other cases until I found the old XR one.
I just, it's such a disruption to my life because my phone is with me all the time.
And I just want it to be just like my phone that I have now.
But I can't.
I can't because it's got a giant camera on the back.
So you know it's not going to be like that.
It's not going to lay flat on the table anymore.
It's going to be huge.
Your finger's going to hit that thing.
And then on top of that, I have to find a case.
But I'm kind of excited about the MagSafe mount.
I did buy a MagSafe mount for my car that just arrived the other day.
This case has MagSafe.
The clear one has.
So I can immediately start using that.
I do have to solve the tape problem.
Where the way the MagSafe mount works is just a little thing that screws onto an air vent or whatever.
It's not like Marco's thing that you have to disassemble your dashboard and jam a metal thing into it or whatever.
I'm not going to do that.
That's not at all how the ProClip... The ProClip ones all work by just like... You just kind of like compression fit it somewhere.
That's why it's custom for each vehicle because they figure out, all right, you can mount to this little slope in the dashboard here if you just kind of bend this piece of plastic slightly and then boop, clip it on there and then it stays forever.
You can stick little slivers of wood under your fingernails, too, if you just open it up a little bit, shove the piece of wood.
It'll just slide right in.
They design it specially so it slides right in between there.
Wow.
Oh, I don't want anything jammed into my dashboard.
i've seen too many car rebuilding videos to know how delicate the stupid clips behind that stuff is and how crappy the and soft the plastic is on dashboard components it doesn't need to hold on that tightly it's the best the best slight slight tension the best of like the 90s bmws that had the soft touch plastic everywhere right like that looked really expensive and felt really good but it was basically like rubber sprayed onto hard plastic guess what happens to that after like 20 years
Oh, God.
Stuff just crumbles to dust and falls off, and it's like your skin flaking off.
Anyway, that was not built to last, but it was really nice when it was new.
Where was I?
I lost my turn.
You bought MagSafe for your car.
Yep.
I got to figure out how to route the wire because there's a USB.
you know, cable that plugs into the USB in your car to provide power to the MagSafe thing so it can charge your phone.
So I have to get that cable from where the magnet thing is mounted down to my USB port.
And I want to route it so it's all nice and everything.
And so...
tape comes in i need some kind of like my interior of my car is black or black or dark gray right i need some kind of tape that will blend in that can also stick to the textured plastic in my honda accord right uh that also won't leave a disgusting sticky residue all over my beautiful honda accord and that's the difficult part right
If I use black masking tape, it would peel up in the winter.
If I use duct tape, it'll leave residue.
If I use electrical tape, it'll slide and leave a gross residue.
Well, they have those like cable clip things for this purpose.
They don't work super well.
They will fall off about once a year.
Or if you hit them with your leg, they'll fall off more.
But they'll leave sticky stuff, right?
Sometimes.
It depends on which ones you get.
This is a problem that I have not found a good solution for.
My current solution in the Tesla is just to, like, there's, like, certain ridges that you can kind of friction push the cable, and it will kind of stay there.
And then I, like, you know, kind of ride it, like, under the little center console thing.
So, like, my solution is mostly just, like, kind of rest the cable in natural grooves in the dash design until I can get it out of sight somewhere.
And that works okay.
It's not a great solution, but it does work okay.
What I used in my wife's car when I did it for her setup was I used gaff tape, which I felt like was splitting the difference between duct tape, masking tape, and electrical tape because it's black.
It has pretty good sticking to it, but it doesn't leave as much residue as duct tape or electrical tape.
But the problem is it's black on the top, but the adhesive on the back is white.
And as the cable moves around, it tends to splooge out some of the adhesive.
So it's like a nice black tape with little bits of white stuff sticking out of the end.
I don't know.
I know this sounds very picky, but...
i wanted to i wanted to look nice and be arranged well i almost kind of missed the days of my my really old honda quarter that didn't have aux input and i had to open up the whole dashboard and add a little thing to like the the head unit behind the radio that gave you an aux input and then i would route the the aux cable through the central tunnel of the car underneath the entire interior so it came out of the little box no visible cables it was all of course you had to disassemble your whole dashboard it's in the console to get this done uh but once you did the the cable wasn't visible except for where it came out and so
I've got to work on that solution.
Other than that, someone in the chat room suggested nanotape.
There's also those command strip things where they don't leave residue if you pull them off the right way with the little sticky... Yeah, they're great.
They're called command strips.
They come in all shapes and sizes, but...
Uh, I might, I mean, maybe I'll use something like that with like a piece of tape over that.
And so that's the thing that sticks to the car and then the tape would stick to the command strip, but I'll work on it.
Um, but yeah, that's, that's all I ordered.
Uh, my wife ordered her watch.
Uh, no, no real issues ordering that.
Uh, it's basically just a identical replacement to her series seven, but she uses her watch a lot.
And, uh, just forgetting the fresh battery.
Plus we're going to rotate the her old watch down to the children in the family.
So it's all, it's all good here.
I should be more specific.
So I got a 512 iPhone 14 Pro in black.
Did you look at your storage before you bought that 512?
I did.
I don't think I needed the 512, but it's one of those things.
How much of your 512 are you using?
Fess up.
No, no, I don't have 512 right now.
I have a 256 right now.
How much of your 256 are you using?
I should never... Is it triple digits, everyone?
What do you think?
Hold on.
Where is it?
It's about... Yeah, I'm going to say like maybe 90 gigs.
Because he like barely uses iClub Photo Leverage.
176.1 gigs.
All right.
All right.
But I'm not entirely sure you needed 512, but okay.
No, no.
I agree.
I agree.
But it's one of those things where you can have too much, but you can't really have too little.
So I figured I'd rather err on the side of caution.
So I...
I got a 512 black 14 Pro.
Erin got a 256 white 14 Pro.
I did look at her usage and it was basically nothing.
Although I got a little nervous about that, though, because I planned you.
So she's the you of our family, John, in that she's about to have her photo library just absolutely explode in a month or two.
That's why I check my wife's phone, but I guess whatever optimized storage thing that it does must work really well because she's got the full library she always has, and she's not even halfway.
Yeah, it works fine.
You don't need to rely on having raw storage space to a large degree.
Like, you know, I've had the 256 phones, I think, for three or four phones in a row now.
And it's always been fine.
And my photo library is way larger than that, but it doesn't matter because it offloads it.
Yeah.
So what did you and Tiff end up doing?
uh 256 white pro for me the aaron phone 512 purple uh big one for tiff the max i have to say the white i really like the white this year and if i was going to go caseless i i think i would have gotten the white and actually i also ended up with the apple clear case not quite for the reason john did like i i didn't even know until you said so that it doesn't have the bottom lip which i think is a little nice bonus for it
do you either you remember why it doesn't have the bottom i know we talked about it like two years ago why doesn't it have the bottom up well if i had to guess i i suspect the reason why is that the clear case is apple's least flexible case and so i think to get the phone in and out of it i think you need that opening there as kind of like a you know a point to i don't know if i buy that maybe maybe it would crack around if you had to make the openings for like the speakers and the lighting thing it would crack because they'd be too skinny over there i'd
i don't know and i don't want to discourage them apple open up the bottoms of all your phone cases please yes but yeah so yeah the way they used to be right um but yeah that's i got it because i like i've been using a clear case from some other rando brand um on my 13 pro for most of the past year like you know we went through last fall through different case options we did the whole segments on them um and ultimately i ended up loving these clear cases because they were like a little bit gummy and provide a really nice grip
and the apple case is a little harder it's like it's more of a hard plastic than like a than a gummy plastic but it's still i think it's going to be way grippier than anything else and the gummy plastic case brands that i ended up liking last year i don't i didn't see that they were currently making any uh for the front for the pro uh this year yet so i figure maybe i'll look at those later but the apple one i might just stick with this i think i think it's gonna be fine
Yeah, I should have said, I think I might have said before, I did absolutely get the Apple black leather case, and I'm hopeful that that's not too bad.
Because I used to be a black leather case person for years and years and years, and then for whatever reason, last time I didn't.
Now, Marco, you slid by, I don't remember if it was before we started recording or once we started recording, you also ordered something else.
Well, this is interesting.
Okay, so I mentioned last episode, based on the event, that I was not going to be ordering the Apple Watch Series 8.
That for the very first time ever, I was going to skip an Apple Watch generation.
And then what happened was, so there's a couple things you need to know.
So first of all, I make an app for the Apple Watch, and you cannot downgrade the watchOS version on an Apple Watch during the beta.
The same way you can downgrade iPhones and the way you do that is you do whatever incantation of holding down buttons is necessary to put it into DFU mode.
And then you kind of, you know, you have to do a clean restore.
You can't like, you know, keep your settings and everything.
You do a clean restore to a version of iOS that you can like download and, you know, pick the IPSW or let it do like whatever the latest release version is.
So that way if you're on a beta, you can get off the beta and go back.
That works on iPhones because they have a way to do DFU mode where you plug in a cable and do these button things.
There is no such way that we have access to as outside consumers for Apple Watches.
I've heard Apple support can do it because they have like special docs that can put them in with the push special diagnostic pins and everything.
Anyway, so my problem was...
At WWDC this year, I was the responsible developer.
Rather than putting beta 1 on my carry phone, I brought a second phone.
I brought my iPhone mini to WWDC to put the beta on.
And I also brought my Apple Watch Series 6 from last year that I kept because the trading values sucked.
Because trading values for watches suck.
We'll get back to this.
So I had my Series 6.
When I was there, I put on the beta online.
beta 1 on my iphone mini my kind of you know secondary backup phone and on my old apple watch my series 6 i put watch with beta 1 oops that's my mistake i should have put the beta on my primary watch like move my primary watch over to that phone because what happened at the end of the summer now if i want my primary watch to be upgraded to watch os 9
Now I have no watches left that can run watchOS 8 because you can't downgrade watches.
At the same time this happened, that I had no watchOS 8 hardware, there was a bug in my app last week that required me to test on watchOS 8 because I was getting reports that it was crashing on watchOS 8.
And this was almost 100% of the user base because this was before watchOS 9 was actually released to the public.
The GM was out, but it wasn't out to the public.
And I had a crasher bug and I had no hardware to test it on.
So this was a school day.
Adam was at school and he has an Apple Watch SE that I thought was running watchOS 8.
We'll come back to that as well.
And I thought, oh, I can run on his watch.
Great.
But his watch is set up with family setup, which means I can't run overcast on it.
and it's kind of weird because it has no effectively it has no parent phone like it's it's kind of my phone as the parent phone but kind of not and apps that don't run 100 independently on the watch can't run on family setup watches and overcast i don't have set up that way so couldn't test it on his because he was both at school and also it would have required resetting his whole watch which i didn't want to do secondly i could install it on tiffs but
I'm a good developer spouse.
I try to avoid roping my spouse's devices into my testing because they're her devices.
She's using them.
It's her life.
I don't want to mess up her stuff.
But she at least had a watch with watchOS 8.
So I'm like, ugh.
I'm like, honey, I need to ask a really, really big favor.
And she thought it was going to be way worse than this.
But anyway, so she let me do it.
But this is something I don't want to have to ask more than ever.
Especially because the crash was I had to play audio.
And on a watch, you have to play audio through Bluetooth.
So what I had to do was borrow her phone so I could connect it to Xcode and have that.
And her headphones.
And her Apple Watch and her AirPods.
So I'm taking everything from her.
It was so disruptive, so invasive.
So I'm like, you know what?
As long as my app is supporting watchOS 8, which is probably going to be for about another 9 to 12 months, I need test hardware.
I need my own watch that runs watchOS 8.
i can't buy the new ones because they all have watch os 9 and also aren't actually out until you know friday or whatever so like i can't do that so like maybe we upgrade tiff and then i can take hers as a test device but she doesn't want the new one because she doesn't wear it every day it's only for exercise so like the new stuff wouldn't be relevant to her she specifically said she didn't care she didn't want it she wouldn't use it
Well, Adam has the SE, the first SE.
Maybe he's ready for an upgrade.
Like his watch is fine.
It's, you know, it's scratched up, but it's fine.
You know?
Oh, I forgot to mention the day this all happened was last Friday.
WatchOS 9 was being released on Monday.
And I knew if I want to buy a watch that has watchOS 8 to be guaranteed on it, I have to buy it before watchOS 9 is released to the public because so many people will auto update.
So I'm like, I have to lock this in now.
Yeah.
So what I ended up doing, I'm like, all right, what we're going to do, we're going to replace Adam's watch, and I'll take his old one, and I will just turn off auto-update on his old one.
So I tried turning off auto-update on his watch, and it bugs out, and it's like, your watch has not finished pairing yet to your phone.
What?
I set it up like two years ago.
I guarantee you it's finished pairing, but anyway, that's another day.
I'm like, oh, God, what's going on?
So anyway, I work it out with him.
What we're going to do, we're going to replace his watch.
We're going to get him a new one.
So I look at the options.
Now, as I mentioned a little bit ago, Apple watches have terrible trade-in values.
They always have.
You can trade in a phone to Apple for half of what you paid for it.
You trade in a watch to Apple, and no matter what it is, no matter what the metal is, your trade-in value is going to be like $125 or something.
It's very, very low compared to a watch that cost $600 or $800 one year ago.
You trade it into Apple, it's $125 or whatever.
It's very, very low trade-in values.
I don't know why this is.
For whatever reason, watches do not have high resale values because you can also go on eBay or Amazon or whatever and you can get refurb Apple watches or used ones for these also pretty low prices considering how much they cost even one year earlier.
Now, we also mentioned earlier the Apple Watch CPU has not changed in three years.
So I looked at the SE, the new SE.
Okay, so for $300-ish, $253, because we get cellular firms, for $300, I could get him this new model that has the same processor roughly as a Series 5 processor.
And the Apple Watch SE was basically Series 5 processor in a Series 4 body, roughly.
So it had the Series 4 new shape screen, but not always on screen.
And then, you know, a couple other features were cut, like some of the advanced heart stuff.
But anyway, and the new SE is Series 8 guts, but again, still with like that Series 4 screen and the plastic back and everything.
So I'm like, hmm...
I don't think he actually would be benefiting much from getting a new SE.
Let me see what I can get on the refurb market.
And I went on Amazon and we got him for $50 less for like $240.
We got him a Series 6 cellular for $240.
And it was, you know, refurb.
And, you know, sorry, Amazon like renewed, you know, which is their version of refurb, I guess.
I'm sure there's some minor difference.
But anyway...
240 bucks we got a series 6 and so now he has the always on screen he has roughly the same processor that the se would have had and the only downside was it's lightly used and i've actually bought a couple of used watches on amazon over the years for various reasons
or renewed stuff even my my iphone mini my open 13 mini that i've been testing on i got that renewed on amazon overall this process is fine and i've had good luck with it the only thing i will warn people of is the accessories that come with these devices in the case of the phone it's the charger in the case of the apple watch it's the charging cable and the band
They're always really cheap knockoff garbage.
Throw them away.
They're so cheap.
Like I don't even trust the charger that comes with an Apple with like a refurb phone from Amazon.
I don't even trust it to plug into my wall and not start a fire.
Cool.
The charging cables that come with... They're all these imitation lightning cables or whatever.
I don't trust plugging that into my phone.
I don't plug in suspicious USB devices to my phone, and that includes charging cables for perceived security reasons.
I'm not going to do that.
Of course, these can come with garbage.
Throw out the accessories.
Use genuine Apple stuff if you can.
That's much better.
The watch band is a terrible imitation sport band.
I just put on a real one.
But anyway,
with that exception i was so surprised like you know the watch comes it looks basically brand new like it i i didn't i saw like there was like one small scratch on the bottom the ceramic piece and that's it and everything else looks perfect like this is this is amazing um so yeah serious fix 250 bucks for adam and and then i and the funny thing was like it arrived
on monday when the new oses were being released so i'm like all right i have to get this thing set up get his old one transferred over to me before it updates to watch os 9 i do the process of i try to move his watch over and it gives me that arrogance about it not having finished pairing and i ended up having to reset it like completely like to totally unpair it and just you know copy a stuff off and put it all back on
I later found out it's running watchOS 7.
And I'm like, oh no.
It never updated the whole past year.
It was in this weird state.
It never updated.
So now I have to perform a software update on watchOS 9 release day and try not to get watchOS 9.
oh my goodness so my trick to do this was i paired it to my iphone 7 which cannot run ios 16 and therefore will never offer watch os 9 to its paired watch
so i have now an iphone 7 my jet black trusty iphone 7 running my baseline of ios 15 watch os 8 on adam's old sc he's loving the series 6 and uh and i'm really happy that i didn't pay you know more money for the newest version of this watch that is actually worse in in this critical way of of the always on screen and so yeah that's that's my uh watch story
This reminds me that both the process of getting a new watch and the process of getting a new phone have been extremely fraught for me for several years.
Obviously, I don't wear a watch, but my wife gets new watches and I set them up.
I don't even know what Apple wants you to do.
Like, I've ordered a new watch.
It arrives in the house.
Here's your new watch.
It's in a box.
what's the next move no matter what we do the answer is you are going to be spending hours watching this thing do something wondering if you're doing the right thing wondering if you're losing all your data wonder if you're losing all your streaks who the hell knows like they've never rationalized that system of like oh just unpaired when you unpaired auto backs up and it's like what that's not doesn't make any sense i'm sure they'll fix that a few years into the watch nope they never did it's all nonsensical bs
i like i don't it doesn't make sense to me and it often fails and then the phone we'll see how this goes because you know hey this is e-sim year but every time i get a new phone i do i buy it from my previous phone and it says do you want to buy a phone to replace the phone that you're looking at right now and i always say yes and then it comes and i spend an hour and a half on the phone with verizon on you know iphone day
Because like I take it out of the box and I try to set it up and something goes wrong and it can't get on the cell network and nothing happens and nothing works.
And then I'm on the phone for an hour and they do a bunch of things in urine and they say, try it now.
And then I try this and try it now.
And then eventually it works.
Sometimes I just give up and then like half an hour later in the day just starts working.
Sometimes I get it resolved in the phone.
I'm hoping it doesn't happen this year.
I'm hoping I can get a new phone, take it out of its box, go through whatever procedure wants me to go through and just have a new phone that, you know, like I'll do the iCloud backup.
Like I'll, I'm not trying to do iTunes backups anymore.
I'm just like, I'll take, show me the happy path, Apple.
Just tell me what to do and I will do it.
And by the end of hopefully a not particularly long process, I will have a phone that answers calls on my cell phone number.
And that my old phone, like, for example, to give you an example of a thing I never know how to do when I talk to Verizon, like, oh, you should have known to do this.
It's like, should I, like, shut down my previous phone before the new one arrives in my house?
Or should I not do that?
I don't know.
I don't know what I'm supposed to do.
But sometimes they say, oh, yeah, no, because your other one's still on the number, and so it's all on a cell network, so it's never going to transfer to your new one, and blah, blah, blah.
And this is where Casey says, why don't you just take the SIM card out and put it in the other thing?
Well, there's 5G in the game with the new SIM card.
It's like, I never know what to do.
It's too complicated.
It shouldn't be this complicated.
I'm hoping eSIM will make it easier.
In fact, I'm kind of excited about eSIM because I've been watching more people's reviews with the eSIM thing of like,
Yeah, you don't have a little card and you don't have a little door and you don't have to use the little pin, but also you can fit up to eight identities on the eSIM thing.
So if you wanted, you can just like, again, if you're in a country with carriers that support it, blah, blah, blah.
But you could, for example, sign up for a T-Mobile thing and just add that to your existing phone.
You can do that up to eight times and have eight different cell things that you're rotating between and just find the one that has the best signal on your location or whatever.
Obviously, this contracts and all sorts of other crap that confuses this, but...
I like the idea of being divorced from the physical reality.
But one of the realities is that my existing phone that's sitting with me right now currently is on the cell network and is answering at my telephone number.
And at some point during the process of the setup of my new phone, that needs to switch to my new phone.
And I don't apparently every two years I prove that I have no idea how to do that.
Yeah, I'm very curious to see how the eSIM dance goes.
And I don't think we talked about it on the show, but last week I decided I'd like to get ahead of this, please.
So I went through and figured out how to change my 13 Pro from physical SIM to eSIM.
And I figured it out.
It was fairly straightforward on Verizon.
I've heard other people say that perhaps for Verizon, perhaps for other carriers, there is sometimes a button in settings that literally says, I don't remember the words they use, but basically convert this physical SIM to an eSIM by way of magic.
And I've heard people say that it actually works.
But one of the things I was very curious to read on these reviews, and I've read a handful today, and everyone seems to think that, yeah, as part of the setup process, it will, generally speaking, just convert your old SIM to an eSIM.
And I was very curious to see how that goes.
And I haven't seen any review where they said, oh, it was a complete death march and it didn't work and everything broke and so on and so forth.
So we'll see.
In the name of science...
I have not converted Aaron's phone to an eSIM yet, so I will get both of these experiences.
I will get one where I'm going eSIM to eSIM, and I will get one where I'm going SIM to eSIM, and I'm very curious to see what happens.
That being said, if somebody has written the definitive guide to how to do an upgrade of a phone and a watch, because I agree with you, John.
I am going on many-year-old information, which I didn't really consider until recently.
But my information was, you know, you unpair your watch, which you had mentioned.
You unpair your watch, and then you set up the new watch.
And during the setup process, it says, do you want to take over from this backup?
And then you say yes, and that's that.
That's how I did the watch.
And the many, many-year-old information I had for the phone...
was do an iTunes now Finder encrypted backup, which isn't necessarily getting any more data, I don't think, than recent iCloud backups.
But supposedly a lot of things happen much quicker, except I'm not even sure that's true anymore.
So I'm not trying to advocate any of the things I've just said is the one true way.
In fact, it's quite the opposite.
Has somebody written up the one true way?
And if so, please point me to it, because I'd love to see it.
This is what Serenity Caldwell used to be great at before she got sucked into Apple.
The problem is it changes every year.
That's also true.
Right.
So if you're getting a day one phone, the article is not going to be ready on day one, probably because they have to, you know, do the research to find out how it actually works.
So, yeah.
And it depends on your carrier and it depends on there's like so many variables.
Like, I mean, it must go smoothly for most people.
It's just, I think I've just had a streak of bad luck.
And I've been trying to, you know, I got away from using the encrypted iTunes backups or anything.
I'll do the iCloud way.
And the iCloud way is, but like, I feel like the iCloud upgrade, that code path is still getting work done to it.
And the Finder slash iTunes one is like legacy.
So...
i you know i think it's better to sort of leave that behind and my experience for the 12 pro is that once i actually got my cell number working on the thing the whole rest of the process in terms of like waiting for apps to load and everything through icloud that was mostly fine um i i went through all this like uh last time i did this part of the problem was like transferring the the two-factor stuff but now the google app has an export feature so that's not a problem anymore and plus i have this
unfortunate bitter and vast experience of how to export and decode and re-import that information into the apple keychain stuff yada yada so i i feel like it could potentially go smoothly but you know we'll see oh and then you you were very brave to like i saw your article like oh you have you have verizon and you converted to an e-sim and i looked at the instructions like oh maybe i should do that to make things easier but then i looked at the calendar i said do i want to do this the day before i'm supposed to be ordering my phone like who knows what
That whole thing where when you're using the Apple Store app and it says, do you want to replace this phone?
I didn't want to do anything that could potentially confuse that process.
So I just left it alone.
Don't touch it.
I have a physical SIM and I'm getting a phone with an eSIM.
This must be a case they understand.
My phone is not that old.
It's a 12 Pro.
I bought a 14 Pro.
This should just work.
Right, Apple?
Tune in next week.
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Am I supposed to, so, okay, back to the reading glasses thing for just one moment.
Am I supposed to get these blue blocking lenses for computers, or is that BS?
It's BS.
That's what I thought, okay.
You should consider getting the scratch coating, though.
uh and it doesn't matter it doesn't matter for you but because your prescription is so low but once you if your prescription ever gets bad where like the number is larger in absolute value than three uh consider getting high index because it makes the like it's more expensive but it makes the lenses thinner um for the same light bending ability if you have really terrible vision like me and casey you have to get that otherwise your glasses will just be an inch thick and it's just hilarious i didn't get that once when i was a kid i don't remember my parents would buy my glasses like
whoa what happened here because they were like they were like like you know and also like the bigger your glasses are like in terms of diameter the thicker it's going to be at the edges right because it's like a you know it's like a curve cut out thing so i got big glasses with non-high index and they were just like i don't you could put stickers on the side of the lenses they were so big just it was like a wall of just fuzzy white uh yeah
Uh, but no, they keep pushing that, that blue blocking stuff.
And you should hear that.
Like it sounded like you trying to sell the gold printer cables.
Like they have a spiel that they give you filled with just total pseudoscience.
Like, you know, it's like audiophile gear or whatever.
It's like, Oh yeah, no, the blue light will really tire you out here.
If you're tired at the end of a day work, yeah, it's the blue light.
No, that's not what it is.
One of the symptoms that I figured I should probably go to the eye doctor in addition to my minimum focus distance being reduced is that my eyes, they would often just feel tired in the daytime when they shouldn't feel tired.
And just using my computer, my eyes would feel tired.
And that has never happened before.
And so I brought that up.
And so the optometrist recommended this stuff.
But I'm like... I'm curious how something that... So...
How is it even meant to work?
Because the blue blocking, allegedly quote, quote, blue, quote, blocking, quote, glasses, they're clear.
And I asked, does it cause a color cast, the thing you're telling me to do?
And he said, no.
What is it filtering out?
I think it's just filtering very high wavelength stuff.
I don't know if it's filtering UV, but maybe near UV, like whatever.
Like, first of all, it's not filtering that much of anything.
Second, if you really want that, put a night shift on your computer so it looks like someone peed all over your screen.
Oh, stop.
I tried that for a while.
Not recently, but I remember a few years ago when it came out, I did that.
A more plausible reason why your eyes are getting tired is part of the aging process is your squishy little eyeballs get stiffer, kind of like the interior of a 90s BMW, slowly getting hard and crumbling.
Your eyeballs get stiffer, and that means it is harder to change the shape of your eyeball to change your focal distance.
That means the muscles that do that have to work harder.
And so for a day of like your eyes going, oh, I got to squish this old 40 year old eyeball to focus on this screen.
I've been doing it all day long.
Boy, my eyes feel tired.
That's my I'm not an eye doctor.
This is my vaguely plausible theory that makes more sense than blue light makes you tired.
Like, you know, because the doctor told me I should probably get them, I'm like, all right, let me look into this.
But I just I can't find anything that supports that, you know, at all.
And it doesn't make sense to me scientifically.
It's like, well, if you're filtering out stuff that that is like outside of the visible spectrum.
I don't think it's entirely outside of it.
Like, there was one study that was like, oh, blue light, if you look at blue light right before bed, you have trouble falling asleep.
And there's lots of people who have tried to reproduce that one.
And it's like, yeah, but if only it's like a really hyper blue light staring right in the face.
You've heard the thing, oh, don't look at your phone before you go to bed, you'll have trouble falling asleep.
We talked about it.
We talked about it on the show, like when Night Shift was introduced.
Right.
But it's like, I mean, if it works for you, fine.
But I don't think anyone has had any sort of reproducible scientific basis with a measurable effect or anything having to do with this.
And certainly those lens things, like you said, like unless it's making everything look like night shift, how much blue is it actually blocking?
that's the thing yeah because it's like like and and i believe where we where we landed on the science of that back when i shift came out you know we didn't it's like you were saying earlier we did an episode about it and then people wrote in who knew way more than we did about it and we we did some follow-up and and really what it what it came down to was there was no scientific consensus that supported this being a thing but it's a preference and if you happen to prefer the way it looks go ahead knock yourself out but you know there wasn't a lot of science behind it um but you know again just who cares if that's what you like right
yeah i mean there is scientific basis for like light setting your circadian cycles that has nothing to do with blue light in particular but just like hey you know turn out the lights when you go to sleep lights come up when you like they have those morning wake up light types things like circadian human circadian rhythm being influenced by the how much light you uh get affected by is totally true but that's like i mean i guess don't stare at your phone from two inches away until 2 a.m and you know then you'll find yourself tired the next day but that has less to do with blue light
right but also like if you're having trouble falling asleep because you just like doom scrolled twitter for an hour before bed like i think the problem is not the blue light that could also be related more than the blue light is the anxiety you're building up yeah exactly exactly yeah i was just i'm like what by what mechanism are the glasses that do not make a color cast in the visible image by what mechanism are they supposed to be working
I don't know.
It's like blue light just makes you more awake or something or like causes more eye strain.
I don't know.
But how can it be blocking light if it doesn't shift the colors?
Like I said, if you just block like the very highest wavelengths, it maybe wouldn't do a color shift.
And the best part of these things, kind of like the scratch coating is and like any option on a car, whatever it costs them, like the 0.001 cent it costs them to put that coating on the glasses, it's like 50 bucks.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
It's pure profit.
because that's what you do like especially if you have you know my prescription or like well cases you can't even wear glasses like you start off with the base price of the glasses which is already ridiculous but of course you want the high index so that's extra 150 but of course you want the scratch coatings that's another extra 50 and it's like buying an iphone that you thought you're buying a thing for x amount then you look at the final price like what happened here yep yep
Oh, it's so true.
Remember, both my kids have glasses, and it's the same story.
It wasn't Warby Parker, because last I looked, they don't make kids' glasses, but I looked at doing some online-only vendor, and it ends up that, yeah, the most basic glasses that look not too different than the ones the kids already have are like $100.
Great.
But then you add the anti-reflective coating or whatever it is.
And then you add the scratch proof.
And then you add the transitions because they're not about to wear sunglasses.
And, you know, you add, you add, you add, you add, you add.
And suddenly this $100 pair of sunglasses is like 50 bucks cheaper at best than the $500 pair we can get from the eye doctor, you know, or whatever the case may be.
Like, it's just bananas.
It's like buying a Porsche every year for each kid.
yeah you haven't actually looked at the prices five hundred dollars for a pair of glasses is is not ridiculous yeah well i mean fortunately you know since i'm still in reader territory that i don't i don't think i'm going to be near that yeah see how much that you find a pair of frames that you like oh i like this little bent piece of metal how much is this little bent piece of metal oh that's 350 dollars like what i can make this out of a paper clip it's like i can it barely weighs anything it is just it's like oh yes but it's all it's all about fashion
I will be the first to tell you, I've never bought readers, but I would be very surprised if they are significantly cheaper than quote-unquote regular eyeglasses.
Yeah, because the frames, you're buying the frame.
You find frames that you like, and then they'll put whatever lenses you want inside those frames.
Yeah, and I'm sure I can get really nice frames, and they could put something with almost no adjustment in it, and it'd be fine, but anyway, I don't know.
I'll dive into this world as much as I need to, and
reluctantly accept the fact that I am old oh it's true